nation of wimps: the interview
As many of you know, I've been quite taken by this recently published book, Nation of Wimps: The High Cost of Invasive Parenting. So I interviewed the author, Hara Estroff Marano (who is also the editor-at-large of Psychology Today), about her thoughts on child- and teen-rearing gone wrong. Her book is not for the faint of heart, as it cites some scary stats and heavily critiques the hyper-vigilant, uber-protective and mega-involved parenting phenomenon we see in much of American middle class culture and which many of us participate in (yes, mea culpa too!). but whether you're for or against Marano's message, it makes for juicy reading...
Crabmommy: We've all heard the term "helicopter parenting"—how hovering over our kids is bad for them. But you've coined a new term: "hothouse parenting."
Hara Estroff Marano: If you think of a hothouse, where plants are not exposed to the natural elements and they're protected from the rigors of nature, that's what's going on with kids. They're not really exposed to the normal vicissitudes of life. And the major effect of that is that they don't learn how to cope with the normal ups and downs of everyday life. When they do have to deal with these things, notably when they leave the protective cocoon of home to go off to college, they break down in record numbers. They're just totally overwhelmed.
C: Your book spans the whole cycle of childhood: you talk about kids who are very little and then move up through the teens years. You have all these great terms like "snowplow parenting" and "pasteurized" parenting that describe how right from the get-go children are brought into a space where safety and making childhood uncontaminated by anything unpleasant is sort of an epidemic, I guess, that you see around you. For my part, I wonder, is there a middle class mom alive in America who doesn't exhibit some of the tendencies you talk about?
HEM: It's very hard for them because the culture of parenting has changed. I talk to parents all the time and it's incredibly hard to resist this [overprotectiveness]. One example: kids going to the bus stop. So many people report the same phenomenon. There's a bus stop near their house and every morning 20 kids and 24 parents are out at the bus stop. Every parent feels somehow that only they are capable of watching their child. They don't even trust the next-door neighbor to supervise their child properly. So what you see here is this widespread element of distrust. And it's distrust of children and distrust of nature to prepare children for their eventual independence...and it's distrust of everybody else to keep a watchful eye on a child. And there are other elements too.
C: We have this perception that the world our children are in is much more dangerous than the world of the past. And you say a lot of this is built on myth. Like pedophiles—
HEM: There has been escalating hysteria over pedophiles over the last 15 years at the same time as the Department of Justice data shows that the danger is really minimal. And the fact is that kids are in greater danger in their own home from someone they know than they are from a stranger. I'm not inventing that. These are meticulous records. And the reason we know is that all kinds of crimes against children are decreasing and so are crimes against women and these are things that tend to travel together. What you do have is that when it happens you hear about it. I mean, how many years after the Jonbenet Ramsay case...? It's more than a decade and people are still talking about it! I just wish parents would apply their rational mind instead of their fearful mind. You have to stop and say, What is it that's driving all this parental anxiety? Where's it coming from? There's just this excess of parental anxiety focused on the kids. And I think the kids and the parents both would be better off without it.
C: So you're saying in a way that the parents are wimps. And then wimps beget wimps?
HEM: That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. Here's the funny thing: whenever I talk to parents, the thing that gets me is that they kind of know that what they're doing—they kind of suspect that what they're doing—isn't tremendously healthy for their kids. The reason they suspect it that they know they weren't raised that way and they seem to be doing just fine.
C: Can you give me a couple of examples of how this hyper-anxious parenting manifests? What are the most egregious or obvious things that come to mind when you look at moms today—moms of kids, teens, or college kids...
HEM: I happen to think that the cell phones with GPS on them are absolutely vile.
C: I'd never heard of them until I read your book. I guess there are moms out there who are tracking their children?
HEM: Oh, yeah. And their computers or cell phones beep when their children go outside some pre-specified zone. But when you think about it, you're outsourcing trust there. Trust is the bedrock of society. It's the glue of all relationships whether it's intimate relationships or larger social relationships, so I think the GPS cell phones are very pernicious...and you know, people think they're doing themselves a favor, and cell phone companies are marketing this. All you have to do is open your local paper and see the ads: "Equip your family with GPS monitoring! Have that peace of mind."
If you want to read on, please go here to read the rest of this interview on my personal blog. If all this talk of anxious parenting is making you want to drown yourself in a vat of Xanax, feel free to stop reading here. But before you go, tell me what you think. Do you feel you're an overly protective parent? Do you feel other parents around you are wimpy? How does it hang in your 'hood?















Aaack! OK occasionally guilty, but trying not to be! However, GPS for the kiddos? I'm still saving pennies for an iPod for MOMMY. :) Thanks for sharing.
Salut mon amie!
I try hard not to be overprotective but I guess I'm guilty of it. The logic says 'let them learn, they will need to cope in life', then how can you not want to remove your child from a situation that is hurtful to them? Like the little snot at the park that won't play with your tot or watching your kid strike everytime he's batting at T-Ball but his brother gets home runs and the little bugger cries himself to sleep. I've been tempted to remove him from T-Ball but what lesson would that be? I think being aware of it, having the guts to face that you can't always protect them and have to watch them hurt is all part of the mommy game. Nobody said it was going to be easy right ;-)? Yet...after saying all this, I'll still secretly wish the little snot at the park would move away. Thanks for the interview. It was great. Lucie H.
Lucie, I am so with you. I loathe seeing my little Crabkid rebuffed when she approaches some snooty older girl in the playground. My husband goes berserk even contemplating the very possibility of some kid rebuffing the hand of friendship extended by our eager little creature! That said, I am steeling myself more as she grows older, because I know if I come to her rescue all the time she won't be able to rescue herself. It's never easy, and there's a balance that one can't always get right, I suppose. My feeling is that if it such a scenario presents, say, at a playground, and it upsets her, she will come to me, and we can talk it through. I also console myself with thinking that when faced with a snubby girl in the park or wherever, that maybe my kid will learn something valuable right there--i.e., that when people aren't nice to you it doesn't feel good...so then maybe she won't be that girl when she's older. Still, grrrr....little girls can be real demons sometimes, eh?
I remember noticing shortly after moving to my town (relatively bucolic northern NJ hamlet) the hordes of kids streaming towards the local elementary school each morning with grown-ups in tow. My son was still in nursery school at that point so I wasn't part of the elementary school club, as it were -- and I was completely baffled to see that evidently not a single child in town (K-6) was walking to school unaccompanied! I remember walking the 15 minutes or so to my school as a kid -- at the tender age of six or seven -- all by myself with no parental intervention whatsoever. But you know what, come September when my son enters kindergarten -- well, he won't be making that walk alone. So while I don't consider myself a helicopter mom or cultivator of a hothouse sprout, I too fall prey to the paranoid notion that the five block walk to his school is a minefield of peril! If there's a drug to make that feeling go away, sign me up.
I don't think there is anything wrong with being cautious with regards to your child's safety. They are, after all, in your safekeeping. Believe it or not, there are plenty of parents out there who are not the least bit cautious regarding their children. If the parent of that snotty kid that pushes your child away was watching, he or she could take that opportunity to teach the child about kindness. As far as walking a seven year old child to school goes, I say if you can do it, you should. Otherwise, you should arrange for your child to walk with another family or an older friend at least. If your child left for school and did not make it there, you would most likely not find out about it till late in the afternoon when a computer called your home to tell you your kid missed school. People sometimes do less than they'd like to do because circumstances make it impossible. It is a luxury to even be able to have this discussion about whether we are doing too much.
If safety is not a question, then by all means you should let your child take the consequences of some of their decisions.
I'm sorry was the title of this interview 'No More Safety for Kids'? There is a difference between making your child hold your hand when you cross the street and imposing yourself in every aspect of his or her life 'for safety's sake'. One is rational and the other irrational, guess which results in more stable kids?